May go on for longer than Brexit

ARC ERM Launch Event 28th February 2019

Craske: ” I don’t think anybody at the moment is suggesting a wholesale change in the way anybody does their modelling. We are not there yet.”

Mee: “I guess this is the first stage of the research and I think you [Tunaru] propose some interesting further work“.

Kenny: ” I would say what hasn’t come out of the paper is what the difference between those two approaches [Risk Neutral and Real World] is, and that’s something the working party wants to look at, to say .. what is the difference between the two approaches, and then have that policy debate”

Craske “the paper comes out with some relatively low volatilities that we are not used to seeing, and I think there needs to be more work done around that, around the sort of, single house price, dilapidation, old people living in there. That hasn’t really been factored in at all … this paper’s really good to get this discussion out, and I do urge you all to keep an open mind when you look at it, because we don’t always – sometimes we’ve got a very narrow way of thinking, but I do think that there’s more to go, and this may go on for longer than the Brexit discussions.”

What are they telling us?

Video is out

The video of the 28 February Staple Inn discussion on the No Negative Equity Guarantee is here.

I am sure we will be commenting later.

Houses as an investment asset

Tunaru writes (p.30):

… it can be argued that the buyer of a house is not the equivalent to an investor buying a house as an investment asset. For the majority of buyers, houses play the role of a consumption asset and not that of an investment asset. There is no evidence that rental yields are driving future house prices so the expected house prices at various future long horizons cannot be determined with growth models in the same way expected share prices may be determined with growth models linked to dividends.

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No perspective from which it makes sense

We are still poring over the infamous paper published by the Institute on Friday, and hope to be back on air by mid week. Meanwhile, our chum Andrew Smith, the internationally renowned actuary now teaching at UCD, popped something in the post.

He is equally perplexed by the paper’s argument that since only 20% of the market is rented, therefore the rental yield on the market as a whole is a fifth of the yield on rented properties.  ‘I can’t see any perspective from which this makes sense’. Quite.

Another of our friends was more blunt. ‘I hadn’t realised that the bank account that gives me 1% was actually only 0.001% because only 4000 people have that account’.

I am sure it will become clear in the end.

Just out

The ABI-IFoA-Tunaru paper was published this morning. It is 90 pages and fairly mathematically complex and we will be commenting next week.

There is some rather strange stuff on p.33 that defies comprehension so far, hopefully the weekend will make a difference. Comments (via our contact page) gratefully received as ever.

Have a good weekend.

 

From the postbag

Source: Hymans Robertson

‘Concerned Observer’, writes in to query my recent post on the buyout model. He or she makes two points. First:

… the buy-in premium tends to be lower than the present value of the liabilities using a gilts-based discount rate. So there will be some schemes that are not sufficiently well funded to be able to invest in gilts and still meet the liabilities as they fall due, but which can afford a buy-in.

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Brownian dilapidation

Source: Aviva

(Geeks only). Thanks to T Pocock for pointing out this amazing page of data on Aviva ERM securitisations, some of them dating back to 2001. Lots of stuff to dig out or back out, including data on NNEG claims. The chart above shows cumulative NNEG claims on ERF4, which was set up in 2004.

No surprise at first. Most ERMs start with a loan to value of lower than 50%, and property prices have gone up in most areas of the UK since 2004, so it takes a few years for the compound loan amount to reach current property value and reach NNEG territory.

But there is a real surprise in store.

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